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HOST BAR HACKSAW & FILE TEST RESULTS

"Good & Cheap is an Oxymoron"

The longer the host bar lasts, the longer the carbide stays sharp!


Host Bar wear patterns are determined by the weakest link!

• A fully grooved steel host bar that can be hacksawed will lose it's carbide
  inserts quite quickly.

• A host bar with hard weld filler, that can be hacksawed, will last only
  a little longer than mild steel only host bars.

• A hard weld host bar that can be filed will last a little longer.

A host bar with good hardsurfacing, that can not be hacksawed or filed,
  will last the longest

• Minimal hard weld filler beads are more cosmetic than functional!!!

• The only positive thing I can say about minimal hard weld filler beads is,
they're slightly better than nothing!!!
Below are a couple of examples.

ATS 200

Snow Stuff



(Carbide wear pads only add to the life of the host bar on bare pavement
because only carbide is making contact.)



The results are shown below:

Get double the bite!

Pavement Drag Test

Woody's Drag Test

Typical carbide rod wear patterns

Carbide Penetration Chart

"Lowest Standard"



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Bergstrom Skegs 3/8" hardsurfaced wear rod hacksaw and file test results
The Bergstrom hardsurfacing was only polished... while the file was ruined

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New
File - Before used on Bergstrom rod
(photo enlarged)

Used
File - After used on Bergstrom rod
(photo enlarged)

Hacksaw / File tests - 2012 updates

16 years later and they are still spouting their same old,
same old
"Hyperbole - not ment to be taken literally"
about the durability of their host bars.

(Scott's Comments are in blue)

Through no fault of your own, your expectations are too low
if you have been satisfied with any brand that you can Hacksaw!

The Bergstrom Good 'n Ugly carbides will outlast the following wear rods 2 to 1 times.
Triple Point Carbides outlast the Good 'n Ugly carbides several times.

Bergstrom Skegs: The World's Most Durable Snowmobile Wear Rods -
from 1976 to present



When it comes to durability more is always better!!!

Over all length of protection = 17"

8"
4 1/2"
4 1/2"
––––––
= 17"
+ 16"
––––––

= 33"

 

of turning carbide
front hardsurfacing
rear hardsurfacing

of protection out of 17"
more turning carbide edges

of over all function

 

Manufacturer List

Lowest Standards

"Their Rods - Their Spin"

"These photos prove their claims of durability are less than Factual!"

 

  ACCORD / SABER
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Saber 1996 and 1997 - Magnum "Second to none!"
Full length grooves decrease the life of the host bar

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


Saber 1998

Saber 1998 - Magnum - "Quality second to none"
You cannot hacksaw, much less file, good hardsurfacing.
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

3 Grooves and the hardweld filler did not dull the file!!!


Saber Sport Series

Saber 1999 - Sport Series - hacksaw and file test results.
You cannot hacksaw, much less file, good hardsurfacing
.
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


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Accord 2012 - Magnum (Formerly Saber) - "Toughest Bar on the market"
You cannot hacksaw, much less file, good hardsurfacing.
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

In 2012 they are still using "Toughest Bar on the market"


1

Accord 2013 - Magnum - "Toughest Bar on the market"'
You cannot hacksaw, much less file, good hardsurfacing.

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


Over all length of protection – From front to rear carbide wear pads = 20"

1 1/4"
4"
2 1/2"
4 1/2"
4"

––––––
= 16"

 

wear pads = 5"
Turning carbide
front hard weld filler
rear hard weld filler
of gaps in the protection

of protection out of 20" of contact area

 

1

Accord / Snow Studs 2013 / 2014 - Magnum up-date. Bought in the Fall of 2013. Latest version - Flat-top Magnum carbide host bar with full length channel extruded on the bottom to place hard weld filler, carbide wear pads and turning carbides similar to Woody's.

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

"Lowest Standard"

"They seem to have followed Woody's example of mass producing mediocre carbides"


Accord Magnum

Accord / Snow Studs 2014/2015 - Magnum up-date. Bought in the Fall of 2014. Latest version - 1/2" round host bar full length groove puts front 2 wear pads in jeopardy. No wear pad behind the turning carbide with approximately 3" of hard weld filler.

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

Brochure Cover


Over all length of protection – From front to rear = 16 ½"

9"
1 1/4"
4 3/4"
1 1/2"

––––––
= 15"

 

of turning carbide
carbide wear pad
of hard weld filler
of gaps in the protection

of protection out of 16 1/2"

  ACS - Action Control Systems
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ACS – 1995

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


ACS 2005
ACS – 2005

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


ACS 1996

ACS – 2013

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


  ATS
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Hard Weld filler - Failed hacksaw test
Dead soft host bars

ATS – 2013Ultra Wear 500 – A Royal Dist. Exclusive Product

"Nobody gives you more carbide or protective hard weld filler!"


ATS- MADE TO LAST!

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw test

Just like the early Sno-Stuff carbides,
"There isn't enough hard weld filler on these rods to significantly extend the life of their host bars."


Stud M

ATS 2013 - Studman - Pro Edge I
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


Jagged Edge

ATS 2013 - Jagged Edge
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

No hard weld filler



ATS 300

ATS 300
Minimal hardweld bead does little to extend the life of the host bar


  BOTTOM LINE
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Failed hacksaw test

2

Bottom Line 1994 - 2012 - Dominator - "Hi-Carbon Steel for long wear"
(Sold at shows 1989-1994. Entered the market in 1994.) Carbide wear pads front and rear
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler
(Has included Ditchbanger, Simmons, Diggerz, C&A, Razor Bladez,
R.C. / Riders Choice and Sled Mate brands over the years)

In 2006 they used
"No other brand beats Bottom Line traction when it comes to longevity"


Bottom Line 1996

Bottom Line 1996 - Dominator - "Hi-Carbon Steel for long wear"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler
(Has included Ditchbanger, Simmons, Diggerz, C&A, Razor Bladez,
R.C. / Riders Choice and Sled Mate brands over the years)


Bottom Line

Bottom Line 1997 - Premium Series - "Hi-Carbon Steel for long wear"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler
(Has included Ditchbanger, Simmons, Diggerz, C&A, Razor Bladez,
R.C. / Riders Choice and Sled Mate brands over the years)


Bottom Line 2012 - Aggressor - Trail Series 6"
"The Aggressor carbide gives you longer wear than any other carbide on the market."
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

According to their website as of 6/18/12 "To exend the wear factor of this bar, they have placed hard weld filler in front and behind the controlling carbide."


BL 2012

Bottom Line 2012 - Dominator - Super Trail Series 6"

"The Super Trail Series features hard weld filler and carbide wear pads providing
an even longer wear period."

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

According to their website as of 6/18/12 they stated "Super Trail series features
hard weld filler and carbide wearpads in front and behind the controlling carbide providing an even longer wear period."


BL 2016 Aggressor

Bottom Line 2016 - Trail Series - 4"
No carbide wear pads
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


BL 2016 Super Trail

Bottom Line 2016 - Super Trail - 4"

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


  EVERSHARP
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1997 Eversharp
"OUT OF BUSINESS"

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Nice concept, but the steel would have to wear at the same rate as the carbide to work as they say. Since the steel will wear faster, the 3/64" (less than 1/16" thick) carbide will become
exposed to the point when it will break due to the lack of side support.
"FAILED" hacksaw test


Used Eversharp Carbide

Used Eversharp Carbide

Note the significantly lower carbide profile that is presented as they wear

"FAILED" Hawksaw test
No hard weld filler


Eversharp 1999 Advertisement Drawings

OUT OF BUSINESS as of 1999

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Comparison Drawings

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Gray portion of carbide indicates material Eversharp says wore off.

Eversharp advertisement

The results (shown above) are impossible. Keep in mind that all high grade impact resistant carbide wears at the same rate under the same conditions.

The style of host bar can affect the durability of the carbide by sharing some of the load, however Eversharp's style does not.

"Go Figure" Both the bars and the fins "Failed" the Hacksaw Test

Bergstrom Skegs 6" carbide: 3/16" square - .0482 grams weight

Eversharp 6" carbide: 3/64" (less than 1/16") wide x 17/64" tall - .0164 grams weight

This is a 2.94 : 1 (Bergstrom : Eversharp) ratio in weight
Carbide alone is a 2.94 : 1 wear ratio

 

Eversharp Ad

"GoFigure!" Both the bars and the fins FAILED the Hacksaw Test



Everlaster - 2014 fins

"FAILED" hacksaw test

*note the unseated turning carbide


  KIMPEX
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Kimplex

Kimpex - 1991 - 1997 "High abrasion, resistant bar stock"
Compared to wood and/or cardboard?

"FAILED" hacksaw and file test


1998 Kimpex

Kimpex 1998- 5" -"High abrasion, resistant bar stock"
Compared to wood and/or cardboard?
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


Kimpex 2012 - 5" - .425" bar height, width .470"
"High abrasion, resistant bar stock"
Compared to wood and/or cardboard?
"FAILED" hacksaw and file test
Full length grooves decrease the life of the host bar

Made in China


Kimpex 2012 - 6" - .430" bar height, width .565"
Compared to wood and/or cardboard?
"FAILED" hacksaw and file test
Full length grooves decrease the life of the host bar

Made in China

  QUALIPIECES
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jkl

Qualipieces 2008 - Cobra Head
"When they first came out they made no claims of durability"
2012 - More durable than standard carbide runners

The host bar is 3/8" wide and 1/2" tall
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

2009 AC Z1 Turbo  |  2010 AC F5  |  2012 Ad

 


Qualipieces – 2013 – TOP GOLD Our products are designed,
manufactured and tested to SURPASS most typically available runners.

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

These carbides are made to the same simple standards of the 1970's into the 1980's carbides.

  ROETIN
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Hard Weld filler - Failed hacksaw test

"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin 1985 - Econowear - "The toughest traction in the business."

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test

The long groove in front and behind the wear pad
significantly decreases the life of the host bar.


Roetin 1985

"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin 1985 - X 10-II - "The toughest traction in the business."

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin 1985 - X-10-II

Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw and file test


"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin 1990 - X-10-One - "Designed for long wear" "Exceptional durability"
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw test
The long groove in front and behind the wear pad
significantly decreases the life of the host bar.


"OUT OF BUSINESS"


Roetin 2012 - X-10-Two -
"Designed for long wear" "Exceptional durability"
Carbide Wear Pads only! Full length groove.
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

The groove in front of the first wear pad is 3/4" long and is 1" long behind the wear pad! These gaps significantly decrease the life of the host bar.


"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin 2012 - X-10-Two - "Designed for long wear" "Exceptional durability"
Hard weld filler with one Wear Pad only, on the rear!
"FAILED" hacksaw test

These 1 1/8" gaps will cut the life of these host bars significantly!


3

"OUT OF BUSINESS"


Note the carbide wear pad that fell out of the package when opened,
due to a failed braze.

Roetin 2012 - X-PR1-6" - "Designed for long wear" "Exceptional durability"
Wear Pads only!
Full length grooves decrease the life of the host bar
"FAILED" hacksaw test


"OUT OF BUSINESS"

Roetin X-PRT -8" - uses the same design
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

Roetin 2012 - "The toughest traction in the business."

 

 

  SKI DOO
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Ski doo

Ski Doo Pilot TS Wear Rod 2016
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld

  SNOW-STUFF
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Sno-stuff 1997

Sno-Stuff 1998 - X-Calibar II - "Provide exceptional wear resistance"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
The minimal hard weld beads of these rods added little to the life of the host bar.


Sno-Stuff 2012 - X-Calibar II - "Great Longevity"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

Has not used hard weld filler since 2002!


Sno-Stuff 2015 - X-Calibar II - "Great Longevity"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

Has not used hard weld filler since 2002!

  SNOWTRACKER
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Snowtracker 2010
Wear is slowed due to toughness provided by a thermal teatment applied to the runner.
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

2005 AC Turbo 660 |  2008 Phazer FX  |  Drawings


  USI / STUD BOY
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Stud Boy

USI 2003 - to present - Shaper Bar - "Great Wear"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler
20% lighter means 20% less material ergo, 20% less durable than a round bar

Shaper Bars with 800 - 1000 miles   |   Shaper control bars

C&A Pro Outlaw Wear Rod - milage unknown   |   AC Shaper Bars


USI Shaper Bar 2015 to present - "Super wear resistant hardened steel"
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

20% lighter means 20% less material ergo, 20% less durable than a round bar

Shaper Bars with 800 - 1000 miles   |   Shaper control bars

C&A Pro Outlaw Wear Rod - milage unknown   |   AC Shaper Bars


3

USI 1994 - Stainless steel
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler

See: host bar drag test


3

USI / Stud Boy 1994 - Hard steel
"Wear bars are made of hardened high carbon steel for durability and high wear."
"FAILED" hacksaw test

See: host bar drag test


Stud Boy - 1999 - Super Stock 4"

StudBoy has done nothing to improve their carbides

"Our bars are made to the highest standards in the industry"

"FAILED" hacksaw test
No Hard Weld

See: drag test



Stud Boy - 2012 - Switchback 6"

StudBoy has done nothing to improve their carbides

"Our bars are made to the highest standards in the industry"

"FAILED" hacksaw and file test
No Hard Weld



Stud Boy

Stud Boy - 2012G-Force - 9" - "Made to the highest standard in the industry"
No changes have been made from 1997 - 2016
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No Hard Weld

It also could be said "their rods are made to the lowest standard in the industry"
for lack of hard weld filler.

They never had more than 2 carbide wear pads per host bar.

 

  WOODY'S
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Woody's Shaper Bar

Woody's 1999 - 10" Snocross (used for one weekend of Snow Cross racing)
Highest quality carbide and steel
"FAILED" hacksaw test with no wear pads
No hard weld filler

  YAMAHA
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Q18

Yamaha 2002 - Q18 - OEM Carbide
"FAILED" hacksaw test
No hard weld filler


Yamaha 2011 - OEM Carbide - Power Steering Ski
Only 1 1/4" of hard weld filler
Hard weld filler "FAILED" hacksaw test
Dead soft host bar


Yamaha Tuner

Yamaha 2013 - Tuner Ski - 4" turning carbide

2013 – US - CHITA carbides – sold by Yamaha. They heat treated their 1985 wear rods.
Designed For Long Life
– Premium quality hard wear rod Runner
"FAILED"
hacksaw and file test
No hard weld filler
1985 -All Wear Rods Are Not Created Equal

"I doubt if these 9mm through hardened host bars maintain their function
over a weekend due to their already low profile!"



Through no fault of your own, your expectations are too low
if you have been satisfied with any brand that you can
File and/or Hacksaw through!

Typical carbide rod wear patterns

Carbide Penetration Chart

Since 1976 - Dollar per mile, Bergstrom Skegs
have always been the best value on the market...Period!



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